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By Nader Qudimat / Jan 2, 2018
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  • Yashar says:

    Thanks, Nader. Easy to consume post (almost as easy to consume as 51 50) with the pro/con comparison.

    I’ve switched from 51 50 to C4, per your recommendations, and while it’s definitely harder on the throat and doesn’t taste great, it gives me the energy I need for those early morning workouts where I can’t seem to get out of the groggy mood.

    • Hi Yashar,

      Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate the kind words.

      C4 is perfect for the morning workouts. Are you working out fasted too?

      The included BCAA’s will definitely help with that.

      I personally find 5150 to be way too strong and overly dependent on caffeine.

      Anything over 300-320 and I just get anxious and jittery.

      If you want to take it a step further, you could try consuming a spoonful of coconut oil 30 minutes before working out with your pre.

      • Yashar says:

        Yep, working out fasted. I’ll have to try the coconut oil, any specific brand you recommend?

        • You want anything that is unprocessed and does not have extra ingredients. Just organic or virgin coconut oil.

          If it’s processed or refined, then it’s no good.

          Like this one is perfect: http://amzn.to/2qfhi0G

          Or this one: http://amzn.to/2pxAp7o

          It works perfectly as it really cures any dry skin/ lips problems. I use it all over the place, for skin, hair, energy and fasted workouts.

          Also works great as an aftershave or even shaving oil 😀

  • Marijan says:

    This has been the best site I’ve seen thus far to give you the low-down on the best pre-workouts, and the only site to suggest a suitable replacement for Craze that I’ve come by, and I’ve seen many.

    • Hi Marijan!

      Wow, that means a lot to us.

      I myself am a die hard for the pre workout category and only tried Craze just before it was discontinued so I know the empty feeling as everything else just seems so weak in comparison.

      If you do get to try anything, please let me know how it goes, I’d love to hear your feedback!

      • Marijan says:

        I just ordered Mesomorph to alternate with Vaaxen Labs Fulcrum, since the focus I initially experienced with it has diminished somewhat. I’ve tried Nitramine. It gave a sort of mild high feeling just the first few times at two scoops, but then would cause stomach pain that made you say I’m not taking this stuff tomorrow. So, I was glad not to see it on the list here, since it’s hyped up for focus at some other sites. It was interesting at first, but ultimately disappointing. The Fulcrum was on point, at first. Now, I’ve noticed its still doing its thing, just not as intensely. I’ve been taking it daily for a couple of weeks now. I take a heaping scoop.

        • Marijan says:

          To add, Focus XT was a complete waist of money, but you probably already knew that.

          • I made the same mistake with focus xt. The name itself made me want to try it out but it turned out to be no better than an energy drink.

            You’re better off buying one nootropic in bulk like phenylpiracetam than buying focus xt.

            Phenyl does have a tolerance build up but it makes any pre workout into a focus monster lol.

            Try hydrazine if you want complete focus. It is expensive but you won’t be wasting your money trying different pre workouts.

            Mesomorph is great, it’s more “off the wall energy” than narrow tunnel focus though.

            I looked at Fulcrums formula, looks interesting. You may find Krazen or Game day to be comparable.

            I’ve had game day in my pile of pre workouts collecting dust and it seems to surprise me with smooth focus everytime, though I wouldn’t say it’s anything crazy!

            • Marijan says:

              I would recommend Fulcrum. I’d like to try hydrazine, but I can’t get over that price. I want to get game day. The only thing holding me back is that it has glycerol in it. 1mr vortex would tear up my stomach up at two scoops and it also has glycerol in it. Also, I read some reviews with people saying game day upset their stomachs. An interesting pw I saw on eBay is Ezekiel. The only review I found on it was at supplementreviews.com.

            • Hydrazine is expensive, I agree.

              Have you tried hydromax? It should be easier on the stomach but you can google it to confirm. If you can handle hydromax, try Sidewalk Kraka or something with DMHA. It’s got some decent focus as well.

              I can’t find Ezekiel on ebay, what’s the ingredient label or where can I find out more? There’s literally one review and I can see it has 1,3 DMAA but there’s a whole bunch of pre workouts with 1,3 so I don’t see what’s special about it.

  • Marijan says:

    I posted a new comment instead of replying, because it was getting hard to read on my phone. I don’t think I’ve tried the hydromax form of glycerol. I’m not even sure if it was the glycerol, but since it was first on the ingredient panel I assume it was the culprit. I’ve already been having a little trouble falling asleep off the pre workouts I’ve been using, and I’ve read that dmha is even longer lasting. That’s partly why I haven’t tried kraken yet.
    I finally got the mesomorph and took a full scoop for the first time. It didn’t blow me away like I was expecting. I thought it was smooth, and the alanine tingles were like when I first started using Fulcrum. Right now I got Fulcrum, no xplode xe edge and mesomorph to rotate. Btw, I only took it once, but I think I like the no xplode xe edge. I want to rotate those 3 for now, then work something else in, since the Fulcrum will run out soon. Except, they’re all kind of weak now, especially on the focus front, so I’m going to take a week off. I don’t like the withdrawals from nootropics, so I’ll have a couple cups of coffee and pop a dip in to get through that week.
    Here’s the eBay link for Ezekiel: https://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2056088.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.Xezekiel+pre.TRS0&_nkw=ezekiel+pre+workout. It’s really a mystery to me. I haven’t seen the ingredient panel, but you know how it is. Take Frenzy for example. Still, it would be nice to have something to go on. I like the name, the label, the claim, and for that price it better be good. Plus, the only review I could find said it was a great value, but who knows what they paid for it.

    • I tried clicking on that ebay link but it led me to a category page. I also tried searching the keywords in the URL, no dice!

      Well you could at least see the formula for Frenzy lol. I know what you mean though.

      I highly recommend buying a sole ingredient for focus and just adding it to your current pre workout. like phenylpiracetam as that stuff really gives a kick up the butt.

      Or you could get Hydrazine, and combining 1 pill with your pre workout or something. Not sure how well that would work.

      Alternatively, you could get something in pill form like a fat burner as those are usually much harder hitting, like King Cobra by blackstone labs, or NTel Pharma clenadrol X black, both are expensive but hopefully, you get what I’m getting at.

      Fat burners will usually do a better job for focus and energy in my experience, unless you’re talking about something like Craze :P.

  • Marijan says:

    Here’s a couple Ezekiel links, since two different looking ones are for sale: https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ezekiel-pre-workout-Blue-Raspberry-flavor-30-servings-by-Reaction-Nutrition-/162600375916?hash=item25dbbcd66c%3Ag%3AHN8AAOSw3mdZctQf&_trkparms=pageci%253A99111207-a3aa-11e7-be46-74dbd1806365%257Cparentrq%253Ac46aa33215e0a86bd442e57dfffffb86%257Ciid%253A1. & https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ezekiel-pre-workout-Grape-flavor-30-servings-by-Reaction-Nutrition-/152633328122?hash=item2389a7c1fa%3Ag%3A830AAOSw-F5ZctGJ&_trkparms=pageci%253A99111207-a3aa-11e7-be46-74dbd1806365%257Cparentrq%253Ac46aa33215e0a86bd442e57dfffffb86%257Ciid%253A2. Previously, I sent the search results list showing them both. That one reviewer seemed to think that it containing d aspartic acid might be the difference. I have some piracetam, aniracetam and alpha GPC. I noticed they really kick in more noticeably when mixed into a pw, as opposed to on their own. Maybe that’s how the d aspartic acid is. However, I feel weird the next day after taking those nootropics together mixed into a pw. Kind of like a brain fog, so I prefer not to mess with them. I bet phenyl is harder hitting, but I expect worse withdrawals with it. I’m skinny enough as it is without fat burners lol.

    • Fat burners don’t make you lose weight, your diet does. You can eat like a pig and take all the fat burners in the world, and still gain weight if you eat more than you burn.

      Most hardcore pre workouts contain what fat burners contain. Take DMAA or DMHA, both metabolize fat and decrease appetite. They just throw in extra stimulants or other fat burning compounds to make it more complete.

      I’d still recommend a fat burner if you’re looking for energy and focus, especially since some pre workouts don’t sit well with you. Pill form make it a bit easier.

      Wow Ezekiel is expensive! You’re better off buying hydrazine at that price lol. Oh I almost forgot to mention, Excelsior, from Predator nutrition, is another Craze alternative with crazy energy. Some people call it the “real craze v2”.

      I find phenyl to be more of a stimulant than a nootropic. I’ve taken a few nootropics like pramiracetam, noopept, and aniracetam but phenylracetam is like the hardcore DMHA-like ingredient since it’s so stimulatory.

      But yea, a lot of pre workouts stimulants are the same stimulants used in fat burners. I see fat burners like concentrated pre workouts, just without the creatine and other usual suspects!

      Weight loss is 99% unlikely if you eat more than you burn! I’ve been taking several fat burners and my weight is still the same because of my diet lol.


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